@julian

Streams and Hubzilla also implement context collection. They attach context to activities, it is an OrderedCollection, and its items are activities.

@angusmcleod @pfefferle @jesseplusplus @nutomic @rimu

@silverpill@mitra.social can Mitra, Streams, and Hubzilla backfill from each other (full two-way backfill) or one-way at this time?

@julian Mitra can backfill from Streams and Hubzilla, but it doesn't publish any collections yet.

Streams and Hubzilla have interoperable FEP-171b implementations, but I don't know about pulling the collection. They are more focused on private conversations where backfilling is not needed.

@silverpill@mitra.social thank you! I've updated the original post to reflect that now.

@silverpill I've yet to see Hubzilla backfill an entire existing thread at once. It does backfill posts from new connections on certain server apps, though. And it sometimes appears to backfill threads bit by bit over prolonged periods.

As for (streams), I can't see inhowfar it backfills because I barely actually follow anyone from there.

@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu if you're seeing Hubzilla backfill "bit by bit" it is likely doing inReplyTo traversal, which is what NodeBB does if it cannot find a resolvable context.

@julian Hubzilla internally backfills via context. Has done so all along. Activitypub content is so far backfilled via inReplyTo traversal and the replies collection.

Thanks for putting this together @julian. I'll be coming to the next Forum WG meeting on March 6 to discuss next steps

IIRC @kopper@brain.d.on-t.work implemented backfill on Iceshrimp.net, maybe they wanna share their approach.

@panos there's nothing i could really add that's anything novel.

we simply recurse through replies collections with plans to load context collections whenever they get more adoption (and whenever i get the motivation to write the code). we already expose context collections of our own

> we already expose context collections of our own

@kopper@brain.d.on-t.work you do? Kick ass. Let me run some tests and see how it performs!

> with plans to load context collections whenever they get more adoption

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Can I put you down under the "wait and see" category?

@julian

Can I put you down under the "wait and see" category?

sure!

@julian I implemented collection of posts in mitra. For now it is only attached to top-level posts (via context).

Here, for example: https://mitra.social/objects/019529ff-7a45-9752-16f2-a3e780746c1c

Very complicated all this Fediverse stuff! Far from the dream of having one account for everything, I seemed to need an account on every service to get the whole picture. I have now Nodebb, Mastodon, Lemmy, PixelFed and Peertube!
I dont know if Im just not using it properly, or if seeing everything from any one of these site is even possible?
@julian how far off is the prospect of using my nodebb account for all Federated chat, is that even achievable in long term?

@eeeee
From this website, you can follow almost any user account you want on almost any Mastodon-, Lemmy-, mbin-, PixelFed-, Misskey- (and its forks), Hometown-, Friendica-, Hubzilla-, or Mitra-based website, barring a few minor obstacles (neither side needs to have blocked the other, neither side needs to have disabled federation, and the user you're following needs to have not blocked you). You can also follow groups like Lemmy communities, or Guppe groups.

There's really no need to have accounts on all platforms. Not unless you want to have separation between what you post, or want the variation in UX that comes with all of these different pieces of software focusing on different core experiences.

What's important to know is that they work via syndication -- content is mirrored across the network, not viewed insitu -- and that syndication doesn't occur without prompting. So, you need to go through the steps of entering a remote user or group's url or full account address (username@host.tld) in order to fetch content, and that content, by and large, is not backfilled.

If you can accept these limitations, then a single Mastodon, mbin, nodeBB, etc. account is all you need.

@Kichae @eeeee that is my approach as well. I was tired of having to maintain so many accounts for "social media", and so when I was finally able to make NodeBB my primary gateway to social media that was a big step for me.

It doesn't hurt that I get way more engagement on the open social web

@julian "We're making a super cool product that's adopting this space" tends to go over well in the Fediverse, yeah. We love being catered to with cool toys and tools!

And good God do I miss real forums, after a decade on Reddit.

Ok, if I can give specific example. I found a community via lemmy which is interesting.
@medicine@mander.xyz
If I want to post a topic in it, can I make a nodebb post and send it there?

@eeeee I'm not actually sure about it, but I think all you have to do is mention the community.

In fact, you did in your reply, and I don't actually know what would happen normally. Perhaps it has to be a root post.