A question for all non-Note focused #ActivityPub developers and thinkers:
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@linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles Ever? Yes. Now? It's not my first priority. Too much else to do!
evan@cosocial.ca would be interested in exploring this at a later date, yes.
Right now everything except polls are shoved into attachment which is ok. Not ideal.
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A question for all non-Note focused #ActivityPub developers and thinkers:
Should we ever think of a way how to embed ActivityPub objects into others (in the content)? E.g. embedding a Question object within a long Article?
@bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan
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@linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan this makes me think what happens when you Quote post (using the newly defined mastodon way) a video from @peertube or a book review from @bookwyrm, isn't this already a way of embeding into a different context?
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@linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan this makes me think what happens when you Quote post (using the newly defined mastodon way) a video from @peertube or a book review from @bookwyrm, isn't this already a way of embeding into a different context?
@linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan @peertube @bookwyrm and additionally this makes me think: you should be able to reference (quote post) within a video object or quote an external video within an AP event
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@linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan this makes me think what happens when you Quote post (using the newly defined mastodon way) a video from @peertube or a book review from @bookwyrm, isn't this already a way of embeding into a different context?
@liaizon @linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan @peertube @bookwyrm Mastodon can't do this but FEP-e232 implementations can embed multiple objects. I'll try to make two links here
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@liaizon @linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan @peertube @bookwyrm Mastodon can't do this but FEP-e232 implementations can embed multiple objects. I'll try to make two links here
@silverpill Linking is good, I wonder if this can be fine tuned, to say whether to embed that target object or not. I guess it's maybe kind of related to quoting. I'll have to check quote implementations.
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@liaizon @linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan @peertube @bookwyrm Mastodon can't do this but FEP-e232 implementations can embed multiple objects. I'll try to make two links here
@andypiper As you wrote a FEP for quoting, I really wonder what you think: isn't it that linking, embedding and quoting have quite something in common, so shouldn't their implementations be derivatives from each other?
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@andypiper As you wrote a FEP for quoting, I really wonder what you think: isn't it that linking, embedding and quoting have quite something in common, so shouldn't their implementations be derivatives from each other?
@linos @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
The issue I see with the Object Links FEP is that it boils down to: "If I know you adhere to the FEP, now I know to apply special logic to as:Link". May work well if we only do (micro)blogging. Is it a good general mechanism for a heterogeneous interoperable social web?
I am thinking more of: "Use existing open standards". Web annotations comes to mind. Specifically an annotation motivatedBy linking.
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A question for all non-Note focused #ActivityPub developers and thinkers:
Should we ever think of a way how to embed ActivityPub objects into others (in the content)? E.g. embedding a Question object within a long Article?
@bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan
Feel free to tag more people in replies!
Btw, tangential.. some time ago I created this sketch to demonstrate a timeline having different types of AP objects on them. Not that that is the best UX, but because apparently everyone thinks in timeline widgets, so as a start
And I just copied these notes to Social coding commons, which is themed to the less technical side of the social web, where people's needs are to be satisfied by the solutions we (co)create. By means of Social experience design. #SX
The composable service oriented fediverse
This topic serves to explore a fediverse based on “app-free computing” where services are composed, choreographed and orchestrated into social experiences.
Discuss Social Coding (discuss.coding.social)
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@linos @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
The issue I see with the Object Links FEP is that it boils down to: "If I know you adhere to the FEP, now I know to apply special logic to as:Link". May work well if we only do (micro)blogging. Is it a good general mechanism for a heterogeneous interoperable social web?
I am thinking more of: "Use existing open standards". Web annotations comes to mind. Specifically an annotation motivatedBy linking.
@linos @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
Btw, see also this fediverse idea started by @helge
Annotate Document
fediverse-ideas - Ideas for new applications and services on the Fediverse.
Codeberg.org (codeberg.org)
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@linos @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
The issue I see with the Object Links FEP is that it boils down to: "If I know you adhere to the FEP, now I know to apply special logic to as:Link". May work well if we only do (micro)blogging. Is it a good general mechanism for a heterogeneous interoperable social web?
I am thinking more of: "Use existing open standards". Web annotations comes to mind. Specifically an annotation motivatedBy linking.
@smallcircles @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
I wonder if Mastodon quotes aren't technically related more to embeds than "actual quotes". Cause what a Mastodon quote is doing is always referring to the whole quoted object (Note) without specifying where (and of course the consent, which is magnificent!). So maybe an embed could just be an extended Mastodon-quote where it is specified where it is in the content, e.g. via just using <embed> tags.
"actual quotes": being able to quote parts of something, putting it into context (where in content) and being referring to the whole origin source.
I see that we should continue this discussion on socialhub/the FEPs discussion places.
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@smallcircles @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
I wonder if Mastodon quotes aren't technically related more to embeds than "actual quotes". Cause what a Mastodon quote is doing is always referring to the whole quoted object (Note) without specifying where (and of course the consent, which is magnificent!). So maybe an embed could just be an extended Mastodon-quote where it is specified where it is in the content, e.g. via just using <embed> tags.
"actual quotes": being able to quote parts of something, putting it into context (where in content) and being referring to the whole origin source.
I see that we should continue this discussion on socialhub/the FEPs discussion places.
@linos @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
Yes agreed, the discussion should be started from a location where it federates to places where it is archived (forums), as the current conversation is ephemeral, and lost in history tomorrow, link-rotting
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@linos @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
Yes agreed, the discussion should be started from a location where it federates to places where it is archived (forums), as the current conversation is ephemeral, and lost in history tomorrow, link-rotting
@smallcircles I didn't expect this to go so far, when posting at first...
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@smallcircles I didn't expect this to go so far, when posting at first...
@linos it is a good thing, for sure
Had discussions the other day on how federating SocialHub had a bunch of negative side effects. Most notably an overall shift of dev discussions to microblogging where it only increases fragmentation of the discussion, and less cohesion in the community.
Generally speaking "join the fediverse" is a bit meaningless, and we never really looked at the implications of federating. This is catching up in threadiverse efforts, but it is design after code.
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@smallcircles @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
I wonder if Mastodon quotes aren't technically related more to embeds than "actual quotes". Cause what a Mastodon quote is doing is always referring to the whole quoted object (Note) without specifying where (and of course the consent, which is magnificent!). So maybe an embed could just be an extended Mastodon-quote where it is specified where it is in the content, e.g. via just using <embed> tags.
"actual quotes": being able to quote parts of something, putting it into context (where in content) and being referring to the whole origin source.
I see that we should continue this discussion on socialhub/the FEPs discussion places.
@linos We discussed "partial quotes" when working on quote posts, and decided not to explore this because you could easily change the text of what you are quoting to make it misleading but still attributed to the original author. Also it would probably have been good to have this discussion when we asked for comments, now we are deep into implementation and did not get much feedback when asked for it
@smallcircles @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
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@linos it is a good thing, for sure
Had discussions the other day on how federating SocialHub had a bunch of negative side effects. Most notably an overall shift of dev discussions to microblogging where it only increases fragmentation of the discussion, and less cohesion in the community.
Generally speaking "join the fediverse" is a bit meaningless, and we never really looked at the implications of federating. This is catching up in threadiverse efforts, but it is design after code.
smallcircles@social.coop if you're not able to consume dev discussions on the fediverse and have to continually rely on people creating content on your platform then you need to raise that as an issue on your platform software.
